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  • THE FOREST FOR THE TREES is about writing, publishing and what makes writers tick. This blog is dedicated to the self loathing that afflicts most writers. A community of like-minded malcontents gather here. I post less frequently now, but hopefully with as much vitriol. Please join in! Gluttons for punishment can scroll through the archives.

    If I’ve learned one thing about writers, it’s this: we really are all alone. Thanks for reading. Love, Betsy

Will You Still Feed Me?

Dear Betsy Lerner, [This letter has been edited down and names removed.]

I’m a 67 yr old woman with a funny, “country” novel I wrote most of 20 or more years ago…I’ve had a career of near misses. Recognition, readings, but only a box of scenes. The divorce and recovery from abusive marriage, illness—there went 10 years or so.

Finally a year ago the MS was ready to send out—and so far, no takers. I should begin by saying I burned through two agents, in the ’90s, both of whom wanted massive changes. Agent X fell in love with the MS, she could even quote from Mama—the character who takes over the book, really—but didn’t want the work of trying to sell it. Literary fiction is a bummer to “package,” I guess. I also no longer have the smashing literary contacts I had twenty years ago. In fact, I’m pretty isolated. Queried 25 agents in the past year (I have an assistant to do the grunt work) — Agent Y and Agent Z requested a full, I gather that’s supposed to be encouraging. My question is, someone with work like this (sample below,) should I be approaching acquiring editors as well? I’m just hell bent on publishing this thing before I croak.
Thank you so much, and for your lovely book as well,
Name Withheld

Dear Writer:
I’m posting your letter because it is similar to seventy-five percent of the letters I receive. I’m going to go through your letter point by point and I’m not going to sugar coat it.

1) You’re asking for advice about what to do, but you really want me to consider the novel. (She follows letter with a pitch and sample pages.) Fair enough. Except, I mostly handle non-fiction. And a “funny, country” novel is not an appealing way to pitch your book. Does country mean that it has a rural setting? Southern? Funny meaning it’s a comic? Like P.G. Wodehouse, or funny like Carl Hiassen? Or Fannie Flagg? If you want to interest me, or most agents, then you need to come up with a better opening line. We’ve talked about this on the blog and here is a perfect example. You could have interested me with a quirky and specific sentence, but instead, you lose me. You should have had me at hello.

2. The near misses we can all relate to. The difficulty in your life very real.

3. It’s not clear if you were writing all that time. Is the book is twenty years old or did it take twenty years to write? I am never eager to read a book that is twenty years old. It sounds stale. If anything say that you worked on it, on and off, for twenty years. We assume rightly or wrongly that an artist gets better over time. I don’t want to see your finger painting; I want to see your masterpiece.

4. Burning through agents makes you sound difficult even if that isn’t necessarily the case.

5.The agent who loved it but didn’t take it on sounds false to me. You might be misinterpreting her meaning because in my experience you take something on when you fall in love. And we’ve talked about this, too, the use of “in love” or “not in love” when talking to books. Some people here feel it’s unprofessional to cast responses in terms of love. Others like it. For me, passion drives everything so I’m okay with saying you love something. I think the real aggravation comes when someone praises a book and then says, but, um, no, not in love. The reason I don’t trust your reading of this agent’s response is because when you are in love, you want to take your clothes off. I know a lot of writers who read more into rejection letters (positively and negatively) than they should. In the end, what difference does it make; it was a no. This post is about getting to yes. People are not interested in close calls, per se, unless they are really exciting.

6. It’s awesome that you have an assistant do the grunt work. I know of a writer who had his assistant send his novel out over thirty times before it got accepted. Yes, it’s famous by now, Mr. John Grisham.

7. The two requests for full manuscripts are extremely encouraging. Is that two out of 25? I often tell people it’s a numbers game. If you get a 10-20% rate of request to send your full from your query: keep going. That’s really encouraging. If the rate is lower than that, work on your letter. If they read the full and pass, you need to get your ass into a writer’s workshop or hire an outside editor to critique and help you with a revision. Some writers don’t want to spend the money (it’s a lot less than an MFA, and it’s a professional investment is how I see it. Think of your writing as a business and make smart investments, and I’m not talking about your computer. Can you buy yourself some time, or feedback — and this can be free from a writer’s group, can you afford Breadloaf or another conference).

8. As for the bucket list: you can go to publishers directly, especially Southern presses might make sense such as Algonquin. You can self-publish. There is nothing to stop you.

Whoa, I apologize for long-winded post. Everyone has their writing and then they have their publishing story. I hope it’s helpful to hear about one case history. Of course, I’m dying to hear yours.

Oswald And His Sister Are Doing It Again

Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water, Bret Easton Ellis returns with a new novel, his sequel to Less Than Zero. Man, does 25 years fly by. I was an editorial assistant when LTZ came out. How many words in Eskimo are there for “jealous.”

I picked up the Metro paper on the subway this morning, featuring an interview with BEE. Huge picture, wearing aviators, holding a rocks glass, jacket, shirt no tie, a whisper of chest hair, a grin-almost-smile, with LA fogged out in the background. He walked out on NYC after 17 years in favor of my fantasy home, LA. I didn’t even know he was gone. Like they say at Yankee Stadium when you hit one over the fence, See ya’!

The interviewer comments, “Nice author photo. It seems to sum up your life in LA.” BEE responds,” Every single author photo I have has been carefully choreographed. I wanted this one to look older and douchier than that louche young man in a loosened tie I took when I was 21 for Less Than Zero. This one took two days to pull off.”

I love him for that. Especially the internal rhyme of “douchier” and “louche.” I so flubbed my author photo it’s not funny. Granted, it would have taken more than two days to pull it off, still. What are some of the worst author photos you’ve ever come across. And what the hell do you want from a writer anyway?

If I Was Your Girlfriend

Vivian, what's this stuff worth?

A relative I haven’t heard from for years leaves a message. I take a week or so to return the call, torn between guilt and aggravation. He says he has something to send me. For a brief moment, I imagine that some more crappy jewelry has turned up that belonged to my Grandmother Frieda. But no. It’s exactly what I think it is: my relative has a friend who has written a memoir. Would I take a look? No one, to date, has ever gotten in touch with me because they miss me or love me.

The most memorable was a woman who stole my first college boyfriend. Can anyone steal anyone else? Of course not. The guy cheated on me with her. She was pretty in a horseback riding kind of way and had super shiny brown hair. Turned up a few years ago with a well crafted letter and box of pages. Really? There are like thousands of agents in this cow town. Please, don’t send me your fucking manuscript, don’t pretend we had something in common, and whatever you do, please don’t catch me up on your life. The chatty part of her letter is what really galled me. Why not just say: I fucked your boyfriend and I’d like you to read my manuscript. How about that for a change?

Am I being small? Should I admire any writer for using whatever he has to get an in? Is that what it takes? How far would you go to get an agent or editor to read your book? I’m really a pisher when it comes to pushing my own work. Maybe that’s what this is about. On the other hand, she fucked my boyfriend.

Don’t Step on Greta Garbo

People always seem surprised when they ask me what I’m working on and I say screenplays. Is it that I fail to give off a Hollywood vibe (size 0, painted hair, pilates abs, Balenciaga handbag, etc). Or is it that I can’t figure out how to use my Bluetooth? Or that I’m entering a decade you are not allowed to even whisper in that town. People are also always astonished that I love LA. Not just like it, but love it. Is this because I fit more easily into the Woody Allen neurotic Jew jello mold of life? Or perhaps it’s because the ship of my life has sailed, only no one told me.

I was 46 when I audited a screenwriting class with a bunch of Yale undergrads. For weeks before the class, I dreamed I couldn’t find the room. The day of the class, I arrived a half hour before hand, sweat trickling down my back. Over the next 12 weeks, I read a pile of screenplays, got Final Draft and learned the format basics, workshopped a short script, and made friends with two guys who are still willing to read anything I write. Not too shabby for a middle-aged literary agent with stars in her eyes.

I like screenplays because you can tell stories using concision and compression in a way that reminds me of poetry and it’s like a big puzzle. Fiction is a bitch I just can’t wrap my arms around. I also love movies more than life itself. My idea of heaven: a twelveplex. What’s your form and why?

Calling Out Around the World

Today ‘s comments reminded me of a book I always wanted someone to write. The working title: The Ring of Truth. In my mind it would explain why one sentence rings true and another false. Why certain aesthetics seem cheesy and others authentic. Why some people have multiple orgasms at poetry readings while others roll their eyes. And why we return to a certain poem or quote, over and over throughout our lives.

When I was fifteen, I went to an alternative camp called Cornwall Workshop. (Doesn’t “workshop” sound more authentic than “camp” if you’re looking for a certain kind of artsy experience?) There I met  an older boy — I believe Fred was sixteen. He had long hair and a world weary cool that I found utterly intoxicating. Until the day we got into a fight about ee cummings. I no longer remember what precisely was said, but the gist was that all Fred cared about in a poem was the authenticity of its feeling. Though we never got started, we were done.

Fervently as I believe that all art is artifice, I also believe it to be true. More than that: I believe words have the power to save you. But if words only have the ring of truth, are they false? And if something is true, how do we know it if not by the ring?

XXVI

This is the first thing

I have understood:

Time is the echo of an axe

Within a wood.

–Philip Larkin

Two things: if anyone out there sparks to the idea of writing a book about The Ring of Truth, I will eagerly read your proposal and if it’s promising help you get it into shape and try to sell it.

Second thing: If you feel like leaving a comment, please offer a quote or line of poetry that rings true to you.

The Trick You Said Was Never Play the Game Too Long

Choose me!

A few weeks ago, I received an email from a writer letting me know that another agent had offered him representation. The agent wanted an answer by the end of day Friday. I was way behind the eight ball having not yet received the proposal. Plus, the other agent had put a clock on the process.

Anyhoo, I spent a few hours reading and rereading the proposal because I really liked the writing, thought the idea was saleable, terrific title, but I also felt it needed some work. It needed to be more intense, to build more, in order to pay off. I called the writer, we spoke for close to an hour about my editorial concerns. Then about marketing, platform, etc. He seemed to click with my ideas. I hung up thinking we had a great conversation; I hoped to get the client.

Next day, email arrives. Turns out he had a half dozen offers of representation. It boiled down to me and someone else (you say that to all the girls). He explains that he went with the other person for reasons largely intangible. In other words, I was a great lay but smell you later. I want to reply with two words: big mistake.

Instead I say, write the best book you can. I say, you’ve got a lot of talent. I wish him well and I actually mean it. That said,  I ask if I may know the identity of the victorious agent so that I may take out my voodoo doll. Writer gamely tells me. Readers, I was so hoping for it to be an agent I loathe, which is sort of like looking for a haystack in a haystack. But alas, it was one of the smartest and loveliest agents in the biz.

I put my pins away.

You Talk Too Much You Never Shut Up

Dear Betsy:

At work yesterday, I flipped quickly through an advance reading copy of somebody’s upcoming memoir and noticed what looked like many pages of dialogue. It’s my guess that most of us don’t really remember conversations well enough to quote them at length (Boswell’s recollections of Dr. Johnson notwithstanding), so whenever I see extensive dialogue in a memoir I have to wonder whether it has been reconstructed and if so whether this is, on the whole, good or bad.

I suppose the answer is the old familiar “It depends.” Personally, I’m suspicious. And I have a personal reason for wondering: I’m writing the first draft of a memoir, with reference to journals, phone logs, and other documents, and in most situations I’m finding little more than a sentence or two I can conscionably quote. Am I too stuck on mere facts?

Sincerely, Name withheld

Dearest,

Why stop at the dialogue? Aren’t most memoirs from memory, and much of what we remember compromised at best? Who is to say whether the wall was burnished gold or piss yellow? Who is to say if he held me tight or let me go? If his eyes were blue grey or slate blue. Yes, I know how I felt, but how am I presenting those feelings to you? So you like me, have sympathy, so you’ll laugh, cry, so you’ll turn the frickin’ page? Where does feeling/memory stop and calcuation begin? I would say at conception.

You know what else? I don’t even care if dialogue is fabricated or embroidered; just please write good dialogue. Dialogue is such a beautiful thing as a tool to enhance, enliven, etc. your prose. But it’s not a toy. You have to know how to use it.

“Kyle, can I ask you something?”

“Yeah.”

“How many pills does it take to overdose?”

“I dunno, ” he said. “I didn’t exactly succeed.”

“Ballpark.”

Okay. There’s a snippet of dialogue from my ferschluggenah me-moir. Thoughts? Feelings? I kept extensive notebooks when I was hospitalized and believe the dialogue to be accurate — or as accurate as my notebooks were. Tonight, I don’t really care about truth. I want writing that commands all my attention. I think memoirs are true novels. In non-fiction, journalism, etc. I care a great deal about the truth and believe the less you embellish, the greater the truth you will find.

Now, that is enough of me. Except to say that when my mother read my memoir the first thing she said was that it was a pack of lies. I told her she was welcome to write her own pack of lies anytime she liked.


I Love You For Who You Are

Dear Ms. Lerner:

Are there different ‘types’ of client? The midlist author with no idea his career is in irretrievable decline (although you’re fully aware)? The literary author trying to deny the fact that she only had one book in her? The Shotgunner, who sends you a different idea every month? The Hibernator, who you don’t hear a whisper from for years, until a new manuscript arrives at your desk? I’ve always wondered if agents have a ‘Field Guide to Clients.’

Also, what percentage of clients sell a couple of books then never write anything else? What percentage keep writing, but stop selling? For how long?

Sincerely, W

Dear W:  Clients, like agents, come in all shapes and sizes. Insecure, egotistical, driven, lazy, perfectionist, intrepid, resourceful, blaming, determined, fragile, headstrong, complaining, stoic,  you name it. I think I even wrote a book about it. More interesting is to watch how any given writer responds to going through the process of sending  out his work, looking for an agent, getting a publisher, getting his edits all the way through to post-publication. Every aspect about the writing process is character-defining.  For instance, when one writer gets rejected he takes his marbles and runs home. Another swears he will never quit as a result of getting turned down – he doesn’t care by how many. One writer gets a great review, believes his own press and never writes another true word. Another writer gets a great review and develops a case of stage fright, never writing another word. One writer gets slammed by reviews and becomes a pit bull, another grows timid and eventually silent. Your books slips beneath the waves: do you?  A Field Guide to Getting Your Ass Kicked is more like it. A Field Guide to self-loathing and doubt, a guide to self-flagellation and self-aggrandizement and hemorrhoidal hell. A field guide to every insecure thought and jealous rage. A field guide to my brilliance, to my ass, to misanthropy, my loneliness, my love. What species are you?

The Way I Feel When I’m In Your Hands

My office is starting to look like a maternity ward at the full moon; it feels like all my clients are delivering their pages at the same moment whether it’s a final manuscript, a draft, a chapter, a treatment, a partial. If I know one thing about writers it’s that they hate waiting to hear what people think. The minute they hit send, the bomb starts to tick. Lots of writers go right to the dark place, imagine the worst. Though some are confident, and when they hand you the pages they will tell you so. It makes me think of a small child proudly handing you a page from a coloring book, the crayon insanely outside the lines. Some go into free fall and pick at their own flesh. Some start shooting off revisions: Wait! Read this draft! or If you haven’t read yet! It’s the worst, like waiting for a guy to call after you’ve fucked him.

How do you handle it, the waiting? The horror.

When I Found Out Yesterday

Today, a new media person came to our office and told us about her company and what it can do for authors. It’s a very interesting model and if you have the right kind of book/platform, it looks like you can really make some bank. I’m intrigued, but it also makes me feel very Rip Van Winkly.

Later in the day, a rejection letter came in that was so kind and smart that I nearly wept. No publishing jargon about cups of tea or falling between stools. Just a straight up smart read from an editor who is old school and by that I mean she reads her own manuscripts and writes her own letters and has strong opinions which she expresses politely.

Then I wrote a very good letter to a very famous author asking for a very big favor. Getting blurbs is the equivalent of big game hunting for sedentary publishing types like myself with big beautiful asses. Please god of the blurbs, rain on me.

Then I helped my partner choose editors for a submission he is making. This is like culling a list together for a dinner party. Then I got an email from a prospective client who says another agent is interested in her. I hadn’t even received the material. Am I being played? I don’t care — it sounds great. I’ll take a peek on the train tonight. The thing about reading under these circumstances is that you naturally feel competitive and read it differently as a result. Note to self: cool jets. It was a perfect query letter, the project comes with a killer title; has this little darling been reading my blog??

And the day didn’t end there, chit chat in the elevator with a publisher, lunch with a southern author and her marvelous drawl and bright blue eyes, doing the memo on two contracts (boring), gossiping about Bill Clegg (not boring), etc. etc.

Tell me about your writing day if you like. What did you get done? Any good gossip?