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  • THE FOREST FOR THE TREES is about writing, publishing and what makes writers tick. This blog is dedicated to the self loathing that afflicts most writers. A community of like-minded malcontents gather here. I post less frequently now, but hopefully with as much vitriol. Please join in! Gluttons for punishment can scroll through the archives.

    If I’ve learned one thing about writers, it’s this: we really are all alone. Thanks for reading. Love, Betsy

Everybody Get Together Try And Love One Another RIght Now

Dear Betsy Lerner:

Do you ever wonder if there are great books that are not getting published? Name WITHHELD

Whenever people ask that question, it always sounds suspiciously like: is it possible that my great book won’t get published? Or is it possible that the great publishing machine might miss a great book or two? Or is there a great genius out there who does not seek publication? Or who has possibly given up?

There are a lot ways to think about these questions. Emily Dickinson always springs to mind first. Imagine sitting on the equivalent of all that literary dynamite and not seeing any of it published in your lifetime. If she were alive today she would be Lady Gaga. I think about JD Salinger who was one of the world’s great haters and wouldn’t let the likes of us besmirch his later works with our cloddish reviews and insufficient love and understanding of his characters. And then, of course, the Pulitzer Prize winning Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole whose mother got his book published posthumously in the aftermath of his suicide (a book I’ve started a few times and have never finished).  Do I think there are great books not getting published? Well, I know there are a lot crappy books getting published.

What do you think: are great books not finding their way into print? Or does the cream always rise?

You’re Only Dancing on This Earth For a Short While

Dear Betsy: Much of the work I do is written in 14-point font, but publishers and others request 12.  Why the 12 when 14 is easier to read? NAME WITHHELD

You know, every now and then you get a question that touches you deeply. That cuts to the core. Font size is one of those issues. Like penises, they can be too big, too small, or just right. 12-point is the standard, friend, don’t fuck with it. And don’t go all Boldoni or Helvetica on my ass either. Bring it in 12 point type, Times New Roman, double-spaced paginated pages because there is nothing uglier on the face of the earth than an agent who has reached over for  a sip of her Numi ginger tea and dropped an unpaginated manuscript all over the floor. And while we’re at it: don’t use colored paper, don’t use personalized stationery especially if it’s decorated with a quill, a typewriter, kittens, or a tiny shelf of books,  don’t include a picture of yourself (really, do not), no little gifties like chocolate or gift cards especially if they’re for Cracker Barrel, no perfume, or CD’s, or a small horse made out of ear wax. Don’t do anything cute, or funny (as in ha ha), or cheeky, or silly. This is not an audition for American Idol. This is your manuscript. Keep it holy.

Tonight there is only question: what the fuck?

I Thought Love Was More or Less a Give

Today has seen all the colors of the client rainbow. One was super cranky about his publisher. Another was intimidated by her publisher. One wanted to fire her editor. Another was pissed about publicity. One was grateful for his starred Publisher’s Weekly review. One was going nuts waiting for a contract. Another was waging war with his editor over catalogue copy.  Another was thrilled with his jacket. (It is a kick ass, home run, slam dunk jacket.) One needed reassurance that he could write. Another wanted to have coffee to talk about new ideas. A new client needed help with his proposal. And one little piggy  ran all the way home — turning in the final chapters of a novel that’s been in progress for a few years. And he nailed it. Dear Lord, help me help all my clients achieve their dreams. Help me help them.

What do you want from your agent? And if you don’t have one yet, what do you think you’d want?

You Talk Too Much, You Never ShuT Up

Well, every few years, someone comes around and feels the need to kick sand in memoir’s face.  This weekend, in the NYT book review, it was the critic Neil Genzlinger. Too many memoirs, too much me, not enough art is the complaint. No one ever says: too many novels, or stop writing those dang poems. And the reason is obvious: the self is dirty. And narcy. And should be private. Genzlinger begins his article (which goes on to trash three out of four mems), “A moment of silence, please, for the lost art of shutting up.” Shut up! He goes on, “Sorry to be so harsh, but this flood just has to be stopped. We don’t have that many trees left.” You can read it here, but it’s so fucking nasty. And I like nasty.

Here’s the rub, with just one Google search on Genzlinger, I find a piece he wrote saying that he often reviews works about disabilities because he has a daughter with Rett syndrome. “Occasionally, I have used my experiences with my daughter as a window into a story for the paper, either about her or someone else with Rett syndrome….The first one, about a Rett family  in Stirling, NJ, drew more reaction than any story I have written in my 30-some years in journalism.” Perhaps this memoir bashing will draw more. Perhaps that’s the point. Or maybe, personal writing is a powerful way of drawing people in.

I’m not standing up for memoirs because I wrote one or because I’ve worked on so many wonderful ones (The Early Arrival of Dreams and A Likely Story by Rosemary Mahoney, Prozac Nation by Elizabeth Wurtzel, Autobiography of a Face by Lucy Grealy, Thinking in Pictures by Temple Grandin, It Sucked and Then I Cried by Heather Armstrong, The Way Home by Henry Dunow, Waiting for My Cats To Die by Stacy Horn, Goat Song by Brad Kessler, A Long Retreat by Andrew Krivak, Let Me Eat Cake by Leslie Miller, Wisenheimer by Mark Oppenheimer, The Place You Love Is Gone by Melissa Holbrook Pierson, Dreaming in Hindi by Kathy Rich, Temple Stream by Bill Roorbach, The Water Giver by Joan Ryan,  Before the Knife by Carolyn Slaughter, When Wanderers Cease to Roam by Princess Vivian Swift, The Sky is the LImit by Neil deGrasse Tyson, Utopia by Karen Valby, and Just Kids by Patti Smith.)

I’m just saying there’s probably one great novel for every 1,000 or 100,000. One great memoir for every 1,000 or 100,000. The stream of prose is beautiful because it is rich with voices. Are all genius, are all perfectly crafted? But for fuck’s sake, there is a value in it just as there is value in fiction, poetry, a box of recipes, a cache of letters. Each one means something whether is succeeds or fails in the marketplace. Whether it gets published or not. Of course, I’ve hated memoirs in my day and thought they sucked, and I turn them down for representation by the droves. The droves! But sometimes when you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. Shut it.

What’s your favorite memoir? Give a cheer for memoir! Or not.

You Better Let Somebody Love You Before It’s Too Late

I may be jumping the gun with my new hater list, but I woke up feeling really great today. And you know what I like to do when I feel good. I like to share. So, here it is my first hater list of 2011. Please, as always, add your own.

1. The phrase, “It’s all good.”

2. Black Swan. Nina!

3. The assistants in L.A. who all say, “I don’t have him,” or “Let me see if I have her,” instead of “She’s not in,” or “Let me see if he’s in.” They all do this. How did it start and when will it stop?

4. People emailing you to tell you to call them?!? Or emailing you to set up a time to call?!? Pick up the phone. Dial. Do it!

5. Chris Nolan pretending he’s not god.

6. Tiger Mother blah blah blah.

7. Did you go to Digital Book World?

8. Helmet hair on late night talk show hosts.

9. That Christopher “don’t pray for me” Hitchens might win the NBCC

10. That Broadway show Next to Normal that everyone said I had to see because the main character is bi-pole. Friends, I don’t care how many Tony’s you throw at a thing, it can still blow.

I flex the rol’, sign a check for yo’ hoe Jigga’s style is love, X and O Save all your accolades, just the dough

I always thought that I would step in front of a bus, but today, dear friends, I think I just might jump from the roof of a major publisher. I know you’re not supposed to joke about THAT, but why not? Literary agent leaps to her death. Or better yet, Literary agent and beloved blogger leaps. Why is it so hard to get a fucking contract done and paid? Why isn’t everyone like so and so at such and such. My dad, who you may recall owned a lumber yard, always said that business was about collections. How could that be, I asked him, shocked  that it all boiled down to chasing checks. But now that I have my own business, I see how right he was. Creative work is a cinch compared with getting  laid. Er, paid. Today is my dad’s birthday. He would have been 83, I think. We clashed a lot, but he was a great business man. No college. Maybe a high school equivalency, maybe, but he was fair and smart and no bullshit. He got things done. He made a mean fried salami and scrambled eggs. He infused me with my love of film and television. And he was always as good as his word.

What else is there in life?

I Can’t Write If Ya’ Can’t Relate

When you take a writing workshop, you are not allowed to speak when your work is being critiqued. This is the first law of the workshop. The idea behind it is simple: you can’t listen if you’re yapping.  I actually think the rule of silence protects you from making an ass out of yourself. It prevents you from saying things like: what I was trying to do, what I meant was, it actually happened that way, etc. The only reason to get feedback, as far as I can tell, is to see if you got on base. Did you smack one out there? Some people at the workshop are intent on showing off, some are out to get you out of jealousy, and some are as thick as root vegetables.

What’s the worst or meanest piece of feedback you’ve ever received? Mine was when an esteemed professor asked me I wanted to be the Fran Lebowitz of the poetry world. I know he meant it as an insult, but I sort of took it as a compliment.

I Like That Boom Boom Pow

Hi Besty,
I loved, loved, loved your book and am recommending it to my journalist’s group.
I am the ambivalent writer of whom you speak, and I’ve been a successful journalist for the last 15 years, always wanting to write memoir/creative non-fiction but not finishing my book projects. I wonder if I’m just addicted to having assignments and an editor whom I’m writing for. But then after reading your book, I just wonder if I’m not crazy enough. I wonder if my not dipping into my crazy anymore — tearing my hair out, complaining about my nervousness and insecurities and fear of failure and despair on not getting a book – is what’s keeping me from writing. I decided a while back that I don’t want to be that neurotic (and my boyfriend would not put up with it) but now I just wonder if I have to be less “practical” and let my crazies out in order to write again. Curious on your thoughts. (Name WIthheld)

Sister, you just might just be nuts. You have a successful writing career and a boyfriend. And you got your shit together. Please  tell me you’re writing to AskBetsy in a very weak moment because as far as I can tell, you are doing great.  You are a successful working writer. Sometimes when you are fighting a project, such as your memoir, it’s a blessing in disguise. I hate that expression but you know what I mean. It will come. Something will shift. Crazy is boring, I promise you. I’ve worked with my share of famously crazy writers over the years and in the end it is tedious, draining and completely predictable. Doing your work every day, now that’s exciting.

Where do you stand on the crazies?


I Felt He Found My Letters and Read Each One Aloud

I’m enough of an asshole to imagine that someday an intrepid graduate student will track me down in the Jewish Home for the Aged and want to see some of my client files. We’ll look through them together and I’ll tell unforgettable tales about publishing in the olden days. The student will marvel at the long editorial letters, the rejection letters, the christmas cards with pictures of the author’s three children in the Bahamas. Contracts, royalty statements, reviews and remainder notices will tell another tale. The ups and downs of a long publishing life.

I had to archive some older files today to make room for new clients. I hate throwing out a single piece of paper. I have almost thirty notebooks and nine shoe boxes filled with every letter I’ve ever received. What’s the real reason for saving this stuff if not some outsize hope that someone will want to read it some day, make something of it?

What literary souvenirs are your hoarding?

Catch Me A Catch

The last time I was on an agents’ panel,  a man asked how we knew which editors to send our projects to. No one had ever asked that simple question. The answer is lunch. A decade of having lunch with editors to get to know them, their taste, what they’re looking for. We’re talking a lot of sushi.

For me, the worst lunch is when an editor lists all of the books he is working on and describes them at length. The best  is when  we just get to know one another. Some broad strokes are always good, i.e. my list is 90% non-fiction, you say tomato.

Today I had a breakfast and lunch meeting with young (30ish?) editors. (My stamina is boundless.) The anecdotal things you learn about an editor are often decisive in submitting a book to him. Such as: where they are from, how oldish, how many siblings, single, engaged, married, divorced, does yoga, loved Avatar, has rug rats, reads Pride and Predge once a year, vegetarian, in therapy, the glass is half full, loves Ikea, wishes NYC weren’t so dirty, is dead inside, etc.

If you have an editor, is it a good match? If you don’t, how would you describe your perfect editor, besides writing big checks?