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  • THE FOREST FOR THE TREES is about writing, publishing and what makes writers tick. This blog is dedicated to the self loathing that afflicts most writers. A community of like-minded malcontents gather here. I post less frequently now, but hopefully with as much vitriol. Please join in! Gluttons for punishment can scroll through the archives.

    If I’ve learned one thing about writers, it’s this: we really are all alone. Thanks for reading. Love, Betsy

You Talk Too Much You Never Shut Up

Dear Betsy:

At work yesterday, I flipped quickly through an advance reading copy of somebody’s upcoming memoir and noticed what looked like many pages of dialogue. It’s my guess that most of us don’t really remember conversations well enough to quote them at length (Boswell’s recollections of Dr. Johnson notwithstanding), so whenever I see extensive dialogue in a memoir I have to wonder whether it has been reconstructed and if so whether this is, on the whole, good or bad.

I suppose the answer is the old familiar “It depends.” Personally, I’m suspicious. And I have a personal reason for wondering: I’m writing the first draft of a memoir, with reference to journals, phone logs, and other documents, and in most situations I’m finding little more than a sentence or two I can conscionably quote. Am I too stuck on mere facts?

Sincerely, Name withheld

Dearest,

Why stop at the dialogue? Aren’t most memoirs from memory, and much of what we remember compromised at best? Who is to say whether the wall was burnished gold or piss yellow? Who is to say if he held me tight or let me go? If his eyes were blue grey or slate blue. Yes, I know how I felt, but how am I presenting those feelings to you? So you like me, have sympathy, so you’ll laugh, cry, so you’ll turn the frickin’ page? Where does feeling/memory stop and calcuation begin? I would say at conception.

You know what else? I don’t even care if dialogue is fabricated or embroidered; just please write good dialogue. Dialogue is such a beautiful thing as a tool to enhance, enliven, etc. your prose. But it’s not a toy. You have to know how to use it.

“Kyle, can I ask you something?”

“Yeah.”

“How many pills does it take to overdose?”

“I dunno, ” he said. “I didn’t exactly succeed.”

“Ballpark.”

Okay. There’s a snippet of dialogue from my ferschluggenah me-moir. Thoughts? Feelings? I kept extensive notebooks when I was hospitalized and believe the dialogue to be accurate — or as accurate as my notebooks were. Tonight, I don’t really care about truth. I want writing that commands all my attention. I think memoirs are true novels. In non-fiction, journalism, etc. I care a great deal about the truth and believe the less you embellish, the greater the truth you will find.

Now, that is enough of me. Except to say that when my mother read my memoir the first thing she said was that it was a pack of lies. I told her she was welcome to write her own pack of lies anytime she liked.


That’s Where You’ll Find Me

Do you ever regret anything you’ve written, wish you hadn’t published it, or even just shared it with another person? Now that my daughter is a teen, I sometimes gulp hard to think of what she will think of me if she reads my memoir. I was quite cavalier when I wrote it. My motto: secrets did the most damage. It was the stuff under the carpet that kills. Now, the carpet’s looking mighty fine.

Please tell me about literary regrets. The more self-flagellating and recriminating the better.

Sun Down, Yellow Moon

I’ve been trying to write about something that happened two weeks ago. I was in therapy and I did something I’ve never done before: I told my shrink what my screenplay was “about.” Actually, I told her the plot, more specifically about the two main characters and how I couldn’t write what I had planned about them. Just as I said it, I knew for the first time what the story was really about, who these characters were. I had led myself right back into the central drama of our family (once again) even as I believed I was writing about entirely different creatures.

I raced home and wrote the ending. And another new experience: it wrote itself. All the plot lines like a row of dominoes falling in a long line of deeply pleasurable inevitability capped off with the pure satisfaction of the final tile hitting the table. Done. Only then, an angel descended and gave me a final image so strange I could have never thought of it.

Are you in therapy? Does it help you? Your work? Do you think it’s bad for your work? Did you ever sleep with your therapist. Do you give your therapist your writing/books? Have you ever solved a specific writing problem in therapy?

Any Love Is Good Love

Dear Betsy
I have just finished reading your book “The Forest for the Trees” which I picked up in a second hand bookstore and as soon as I started to read it turned into a “must have”. I have to say the book was a very enjoyable read in its on right. I feel that even with all the difficulties described, the literary world is not an exclusive club that one is shut out from. In that sense you have demystified the business of publishing and given it a human attainable quality. For that I thank you. Now for the question(s): Your book is a few years old. Obviously much in it still applies, but are their any sections or chapters you feel would now have to be complety re-wriiten in view of today´s market? Or do you think that inspite of all the tecnological changes basically the book world is for the most part still the same ?
Thank you and kind regards. Name Left Off (Portugal)
Dear Portugal:
I love second hand book stores, but I can’t believe some a-hole sold my book, unless they were aware that a fully revised edition would be released in October, 2010. And there is the answer to your question. A lot has changed. Email was just beginning to take hold when I wrote the book ten years ago. Now all newborns emerge with a blue tooth in their ear and a bar code on their butts. When I started in publishing 25 years ago, we still sent telexes to Europe and Asia, writers banged on typewriters and editors drank at lunch. Now, people are reading on devices, tweeting, and editors carry yoga mats around town. Barf!
I have to proof the pages for the revision over the weekend. I’m curious to see if it’s as seamless and scintillating as I think it is. Ha Ha.
Well, I tried. The old girl is ten and I can’t believe it. You know, I started the blog to convince the publisher to let me revise the book; it was just a tool to convince him that there was still a market. But now, the blog has gone much further than the book for me. And I just want to thank everyone who reads, links, lurks, and especially the bold, the few, who comment. You are an amazing group of readers and writers and, what the fuck, I love you.
Hope you have a great holiday weekend. I’m back on Tuesday. Get some writing done. Betsy

Endless Rain Into a Paper Cup

I finished reading the fourth draft of a novel this weekend. It was amazing to see, even at this stage, where the writer held fast to her vision and where she was willing to make some radical changes. As well as many small changes. And how those small changes changed everything. I’ve always nursed a pet theory that writers exaggerate about how much they revise, how much they throw out, and how much editing they actually take. Put another way, there’s revising your work and playing with your food. Reader, this writer revised.

I was weeping at the end of this book. The power of it caught me off guard. Every moment in the novel found its fulfillment in the last seven pages. It was like watching a master chess player dominate the board in a series of swift, confident moves. What is the sound of a marble King falling upon a marble board. I reread those pages again, slower the second time, looking for the sleight of hand, the bouquet up her sleeve, the doves released. How the hell did she do it?

I will always be a sucker for this: for words to take me away from me as they console me, to make me forget myself and remind me who I am, to be trustworthy and manipulative, to seduce and destroy, to implicate and complicate, to come alive. When a writer does all this, and when I have had the privilege of clocking it, I am reminded of why, even after years of sweeping shit, I’ll never leave show business.

If You Don’t Know Me By Now

Today, I met with a writer who said she read my book, Food & Loathing. She said she couldn’t  “go there,” and that it must have been very painful to write. Defensively, perhaps perversely, I said that I had fun writing it. I loved figuring out the structure, moving the story along, recreating scenes.  Okay,  maybe a few fat tear drops fell on the keyboard from time to time; that too was satisfying.

I’m also very pragmatic and I had twenty-plus journals from that time that I wanted to use. I used to write in my diary every day until my mid twenties, and I had kept notes after every therapy session I ever went to. He said, she said. There was something else that motivated me: competition. All these people were writing about depression and two week hospitalizations. I was bi-polar with six months in the bin. I’m not saying I climbed Mt Kilimanjaro first with no gorp or oxygen, but I felt I knew something, had something to say, especially where food and mood collided. So, there you have it, my less than idealistic reasons for writing my book. Did I mention the money? Or the rage?

Why do you write? What really drives you?

Some Things Never Change

When I wrote poems, what I really loved was revising. Counting syllables, interior rhymes, turning quatrains into couplets, scrutinizing every line break for its potential drama or opportunity. I just loved the shit. Revising prose is another animal completely. There is nothing more thrilling than to read a work that has been transformed through the art/craft of revision. On the other hand, there is nothing more disheartening than to send away a writer with meaningful notes and have them return weeks later with a “revision” when you the know the work required would take a few months.

Sometimes, writers will send me a memo with the revision outlining everything they have done and explaining why they didn’t take certain notes. These documents are as boring as synopses. My only interest is the revision and I want to read it without the benefit of a road map. After all, there won’t be a note for the reader: took out that detail about my mother because she would kill me. Sometimes if you address one change, other problems automatically resolve. I never care if a writer takes my notes so much as uses them. There’s a great charge from working with a writer when the collaboration produces something more powerful than originally anticipated. I think editors live for this feeling; it’s akin to consummation.

There are six basic types of revisers with many variations. They are: the “pay as you play” meaning your revise each sentence again and again before moving forward; the “slasher” who mostly cuts; the “tinkerer” changes one word such as cup for mug and back to cup; the “padder” who keeps adding sometimes to good effect, sometimes not; the “architect” who drastically alters the structure; the “mule” who can not change very much; and the “hawk” who sees it all and kills it.

How do you go about the work of revising? Any advice? Nightmares? Successes? Secrets?

The Gods Must Be Crazy

I studied pottery throughout high school. Junior year, we had a teacher who started the term by asking us to make kiln gods to “protect and bless” our firings. These were, in effect, clay finger puppets. To show what I thought of the project and my eternal hipness, I created a little man giving the finger.

Since then, I have had a series of typewriter gods, little effigies that do absolutely nothing but protect and bless my keyboard. Among my totems: the smallest, peanut-sized Matryoshka doll, a white Porsche, a brass penguin, a polished stone, a pair of smiling strawberry salt & pepper shakers, and a purloined monkey covering his ears, from a set of three each the size of a walnut: see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.

Do you have any writing gods?

Hurt People Hurt People

Am working on the copy edit of the revision to Forest for the Trees. I thought I was making it better, but today it seems worse. You know how that is. In fact, I can’t believe I ever got it written in the first place. I seriously don’t know where I got the balls. The cojones. The brass ones. The nuts, nads, teabags. The taint, the testes, the kajmaster. The ballpark.

Sometimes I think that’s all writing is: taking a seat on the subway when twenty people are standing, or shoving your way into a line. Or taking off all your clothes and walking through a desert. Or fetching gutter balls in a run-down bowling alley, the machinery wheezing and jamming. Or eating a loaf of bread. Or having the urge to kiss strangers. Writing is quaint, stupid, self-congratulatory. It’s faux-sexual, falsely idealistic, a poor reflection of a poor reflection.

Anyone else do any writing over the weekend?

I took a wrong turn and I just kept going

Hi. I’m a book doctor (a.k.a. freelance editor) in the Pacific Northwest. A client of mine is working on a memoir, and I’m trying to give her some wordcount guidance. Folks on Twitter said I should ask you: For a first-time memoirist, what’s the sweet spot on length?

The client’s memoir is presently pushing 150,000 words, and she’s not done with it yet. My gut says “ooh, too long,” as in, most publishers will pass given that it’s from a first-time author. However, my gut is trained on novels, not memoirs, so I’m dis-inclined to rely on my intestinal authority in this case.

Care to educate my gut a little?

Not really. The intestinal metaphor is just awful and using the word “gut” three times is unforgivable. That said, no one has asked about word count and it’s a good topic — so thank you on that score.

I love to tell writers to cut their books in half and see if they are missing anything (especially those coming in at 150,000 words or more). I would bet you five bucks that most books would be improved if they lost anywhere between 10-40 % of their body weight. That said, the correct word length is the number of words it takes to tell your story. The reason I love poetry, well one reason, is that every word counts. The best works of fiction and non-fiction hold themselves to that standard.

I also counsel beginning writers to write in long hand and to use a typewriter. I guarantee you will be more careful and precise. The length isn’t what makes editors groan, it’s overly long sloppy writing that gives you a stomach ache.

Is your manuscript too long? Does every word count?