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  • THE FOREST FOR THE TREES is about writing, publishing and what makes writers tick. This blog is dedicated to the self loathing that afflicts most writers. A community of like-minded malcontents gather here. I post less frequently now, but hopefully with as much vitriol. Please join in! Gluttons for punishment can scroll through the archives.

    If I’ve learned one thing about writers, it’s this: we really are all alone. Thanks for reading. Love, Betsy

They Say We’re Young and We Don’t Know

Took our intern to lunch today. She’s really smart and lovely. She’s working for us two days a week and at an ultra hip lit mag two days a week. They may be cooler than we are, but do they sit around and listen to the Mel Gibson tapes? Does Patti Smith drop by their offices and sing a few songs? Do they order in take-out from Grammercy Tavern and talk about books while eating foie gras and french fries? No, I didn’t think so.

Our fair lass has one question for me: to be or not to be. To work in the book business or not to work in the book business. Will it hurt my writing? Will it help my career? In one question, our dear intern has nailed my life’s conflict. And I believe many who work in publishing. I mean you’re not toiling on editorial row because you want to be a lead guitarist, or a sous chef, or a hfm. I could be wrong, and I’d love it if a lurking editor or two chimed in with a comment, but I think almost everyone in publishing has dreams of writing. And many have gone on to publish.

I swore I would quit if I ever got paid for writing and I didn’t quit after either book. I also stopped writing completely for 12 years after I got my MFA, when I poured myself into my editorial career. I didn’t think the world deprived of my poems would be any poorer. Too, I loved being an editor, or rather becoming an editor. Those years were heady and exciting. I actually felt myself improving with each manuscript I worked on.

But when I did start writing again, the conflict reared its head. But for me, I know working in publishing has helped. Not only did I learn how to write a proposal. I learned how to write prose. And how to think about books in the marketplace. And just to be in the world where writers and books are at the center.

I still wish I were the kind of girl who could tend bar at a western town, ride horses, have love affairs with the occasional movie producer passing through town, and write a masterpiece. Ain’t me, babe.

What do you tell a twenty year old about the writing life?

What You Like Is In the Limo

Great quote in Harvey Pekar’s obit, “I always wanted praise and I always wanted attention; I won’t lie to you…I wanted people to write about me, not me about them.”

I think we are extremely ambivalent about praise and attention in this country. Everyone wants it, but it’s seen as craven to seek it too openly. There’s Pynchon on one of the spectrum and Paris Hilton on the other.

Are writers private people, uncomfortable with fame and spotlight? God knows, many are awkward as hell. Watch any writer on the Today Show and cringe. Writers are not actors. But at the same time, doesn’t some burning desire for attention, to be heard, go hand in hand with the act of writing. Or are they two separate endeavors?

I’ve tried to tease this out over a lifetime in publishing. I used to think the best writers were the worse self-promoters, and the best self-promoters were the worst writers. But it doesn’t hold up. Look at Dave Eggers, a terrific writer and a virtual marketing machine. Or Walt Whitman for that matter.

Are there brilliant works out there that will never see the light of day because the writer didn’t have it in him? Is wanting attention an intrinsic component in the act of writing?

Are You Lonesome Tonight

I apologize for posting late. My third floor attic office isn’t air conditioned, and I couldn’t face the stairwell let alone broasting up there when my daughter had just started “Dear John” On Demand with Channing Tatum, Tatum Channing, Tatum O’Neil, frankly who cares so long as he never speaks and keeps his shirt off.

What I was wondering is how some writers can’t bear to be alone and will go to great lengths to avoid sitting down. Others crave it, can’t survive without it. One of my clients nearly exiles herself with every new book, feels she has to, but struggles against it. She says she wishes her relationship to writing was more like mine: escape. Of course, I attribute her superior prose to her monastic concentration. I’m a chatty writer; solitude for me is reorganizing my desk drawer.

Not entirely true. It’s also an oasis. And, apart from movies, when I’m most happy. As a child, I hid myself away in a crawl space beneath the stairs with blankets, pillows, a lamp without a shade, and of course my diary. Writing is where I go to both escape and locate myself. (Sorry, that was pathetic.)

Loneliness, solitude, isolation. Where do you live as a writer?

I Wanna Be A Billionaire So Fricking Bad

What do you really want out of this rodeo? Publication, money, literary acclaim, celebrity? Do you want to write every day, find words every day, that sweet spot two hours in when the blessed motherfucker starts to write itself and you are roping it? Do you want that perfect solitude when you and the keyboard are one, when your brain exists only to bring forth words? Or do you want to help others? Yourself? Make someone proud? Dad? Mom? Someone jealous? Do you seek revenge, adoration, admiration? Or something spiritual, transcendent? Do you want power, dominance, do you want to tip? Blink? Do you want pussy? Looking to get out or get in? Do you want mastery over a subject? Do you want the last word? Do you want to make people laugh? Stay up past their bedtime? Afraid to turn off the lights? Are you a healer, a preacher, a teacher, a showman, a scholar? Are you storyteller?

What motivates you?

You Probably Think This Song Is About You

Away for holiday weekend. In laws, then my husband’s old friends from college newspaper. I am always a bit nostalgic around these people, that is if you can be nostalgic for something you didn’t have. In my case, that would be college friends. I did have some, but I blew through them pretty quickly mostly because I didn’t have a clue who I was, and basically walked up to people like the little bird in the P.D. Eastman book and asked, “Are you my mother?

I digress. What this post is about is people walking up to me and asking, in five simple words, words that feel like a switch blade to the jugular, a rope around the neck, a hot coal to the foot, the ginormous wheel of the M5 bus threatening to pull you under as it wheezes down Fifth Avenue and leaves you crushed among the spectacular debris along a Manhattan curb where just ten feet away a man coats a hotdog with mustard and hands it to a dad from Montclair who has just seen the Temple of Dendur and has already forgotten all about it.

But I digress. Five simple words: What are you working on? Variations: So, what are you working on? Working on anything new? Anything ever happen with that screenplay? Weren’t you working on something for tv? How do you get ideas? When do you have time to write? Still keeping at it? Wasn’t your sister writing something for tv? What happened to that?

How does it make you feel, you know, being asked in polite company, what you’re working on?

Sooner Or Later It All Gets Real

Yesterday, I asked people what they did to escape. I think red wine was a front runner. But this remark from Shanna is the subject of today’s post, “It used to be books but I’ve hit a rough patch with reading escapism since I started writing. Which, by the way, makes me really sad.”

Something happens. You go from being that kid or teenager who finds within certain books keys to the world. Certain books let you in and your life is no longer lonely. Then we start to write, most of us as kids or teenagers (not Bonnie!), and this strange communion begins to take hold. I think for a long time we learn from everything we read. There is information in every sentence whether it’s a new word, strange syntax, use of tense. A way of getting inside a character’s head. Of ending a chapter. Using a space break. Every book is a university at which we study: plot, character, pacing, metaphor. And then, if this writing thing really takes hold, we find ourselves competing. We read something and think: I could do that, or could I do that, or I can’t believe that motherfucker just did that. And we think this whether or not it’s sheer hubris on our part. I remember one time when my sister ran out and bought a book the minute she heard about it. I asked what compelled her. “It’s the book I always wanted to write,” she confessed.

Shanna, what say you? Why is the glorious escapism no longer there? And is it true for all books or just contemporary? I really want to know what it’s like to read as a writer. Are you still able to escape, are you a sponge studying the craft, are you competing? What’s going on?

I Am He As You Are He As You Are Me

I was told posting pictures of cuddly animals increased traffic. Wrong.

Dear Ms Lerner,

How many POVs are best in a novel? I have been told no more than four.
The reason I am inquiring is my manuscript has two plots that intersect along with several sub-plots that thread their way in toward the end.
Thank you for your informative blog on writing and the publishing industry. It has been a great help in my writing.
Yours truly,

Dear Yours Truly:
These are the kinds of writing questions that give me a stomach ache. It’s a very good question, but it also reminds me of the kid who wants to know how long the paper has to be before he’s even figured out what to say. There are no rules; or, more precisely, you make the rules.  Your narrator(s) and POV(s) are like the DNA in your book. You can’t impose them from the outside. They emerge as you write. Often a piece of writing begins with a high dive off the deep end, the narrative voice distinctive and high octane. But just as often that voice is difficult to sustain, the writer comes up empty or deploys a different narrative strategy.
Eventually, these questions will sort themselves out, third person or first, limited or omniscient, one narrator or twenty.  Whoever said there should be no more than four was probably being practical; after all, it’s hard to juggle more than that. What baffles me about your question is: what does the number of narrators have to do with the plot and sub-plot lines? I believe these are separate issues. I don’t like multiple narrators because it often feels more like ventriloquism than storytelling. I also get attached to the narrator and fight the arrival of a new one. It’s always a little battle for me to start over with a new narrator. But fuck me, what do you all say out there? I’m too tired to even think of a novel with multiple narrators that I like.

Baby Was A Black Sheep Baby Was A Whore

How is it that my brilliant 30 page screenplay outline has turned into a piece of shit, aka a turd, a poop, a dump, a steamer, a crap? How? I didn’t even touch it. I deliberately didn’t touch it. I am of the Capote school which says to put all first drafts away for a month. You all know what I’m talking about; the disease has a name: literary vertigo.  One day, you’re Leo. The next day, you’re shit.

How is it on one day you look at your work and it smiles back at you? Who is the prettiest of them all? And then the next: Am I a buffoon? A peacock? A monster? Am I empty, ugly, borderline? Am I alive? Did you call me? Do I have anything to say? Ha! Is this the Torah? A recipe card? A phone book?  Jesus died for what, again? “I am an American artist, I feel no guilt.” I am governed by guilt. I am an exhibitionist in hiding. Don’t touch me.

My sister, my mother, my sister, my mother.

How does your work look to you?

Don’t Step on Greta Garbo

People always seem surprised when they ask me what I’m working on and I say screenplays. Is it that I fail to give off a Hollywood vibe (size 0, painted hair, pilates abs, Balenciaga handbag, etc). Or is it that I can’t figure out how to use my Bluetooth? Or that I’m entering a decade you are not allowed to even whisper in that town. People are also always astonished that I love LA. Not just like it, but love it. Is this because I fit more easily into the Woody Allen neurotic Jew jello mold of life? Or perhaps it’s because the ship of my life has sailed, only no one told me.

I was 46 when I audited a screenwriting class with a bunch of Yale undergrads. For weeks before the class, I dreamed I couldn’t find the room. The day of the class, I arrived a half hour before hand, sweat trickling down my back. Over the next 12 weeks, I read a pile of screenplays, got Final Draft and learned the format basics, workshopped a short script, and made friends with two guys who are still willing to read anything I write. Not too shabby for a middle-aged literary agent with stars in her eyes.

I like screenplays because you can tell stories using concision and compression in a way that reminds me of poetry and it’s like a big puzzle. Fiction is a bitch I just can’t wrap my arms around. I also love movies more than life itself. My idea of heaven: a twelveplex. What’s your form and why?

Calling Out Around the World

Today ‘s comments reminded me of a book I always wanted someone to write. The working title: The Ring of Truth. In my mind it would explain why one sentence rings true and another false. Why certain aesthetics seem cheesy and others authentic. Why some people have multiple orgasms at poetry readings while others roll their eyes. And why we return to a certain poem or quote, over and over throughout our lives.

When I was fifteen, I went to an alternative camp called Cornwall Workshop. (Doesn’t “workshop” sound more authentic than “camp” if you’re looking for a certain kind of artsy experience?) There I met  an older boy — I believe Fred was sixteen. He had long hair and a world weary cool that I found utterly intoxicating. Until the day we got into a fight about ee cummings. I no longer remember what precisely was said, but the gist was that all Fred cared about in a poem was the authenticity of its feeling. Though we never got started, we were done.

Fervently as I believe that all art is artifice, I also believe it to be true. More than that: I believe words have the power to save you. But if words only have the ring of truth, are they false? And if something is true, how do we know it if not by the ring?

XXVI

This is the first thing

I have understood:

Time is the echo of an axe

Within a wood.

–Philip Larkin

Two things: if anyone out there sparks to the idea of writing a book about The Ring of Truth, I will eagerly read your proposal and if it’s promising help you get it into shape and try to sell it.

Second thing: If you feel like leaving a comment, please offer a quote or line of poetry that rings true to you.